Messiah ben Yoseph... Messiah ben Joseph... Messiah ben Yosip....*
* ben = son of... *
What do all these titles have in common?
1. They are all found in the footnotes of the recently-done New Testament in the Aramaic with a highly-edited English translation... specifically footnotes 2 and 53 which accompany Matthew.
2. They all refer to Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH, WHO+ is identified as the "Son of David (Dawid)" as per Scripture in Matthew 1: 1 concerning Y'SHUA's+ lineage and birth.
3. The title, "Messiah ben Joseph, etc." is NEVER, EVER found in Scripture... neither the Old Covenant nor the New Covenant. It was a title coined by an ancient Jewish writer who was considered a learn-ed man trying to figure out "who" the Messiah was!
4. These titles are used to TRY to establish in the reader's mind the identity of Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH as being perhaps the birth son of Joseph the Carpenter.... instead of Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH being divinely born "as by the RUACH haKODESH ( The HOLY SPIRIT)" through Maryam, the virgin of Israel.
5. Thus, the title "M. ben Yoseph" is used to plant doubts and cast aspersions upon the SON+ of ELOAH (GOD)'s divine birth.
6. The erroneous title is used to point readers AWAY the fact that Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH fulfilled ... i.e., completed... the Word to the prophets that their Messiah would be "the Son of David (Dawid)..." and thus the Jewish people could easily identify HIM+ when HE+ came.
7. As a matter of fact, when Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH returned from HIS+ 40 day fast in the wilderness and HIS+ victory over satan's temptations, HE+ returned to HIS+ hometown of Nazareth, where HE+ was raised, in the power of the RUACH haKODESH (HOLY SPIRIT).
After reading the scroll of Isaiah the Prophet, Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH told the congregation "This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears."
Then the townspeople marvelled because they said, "Is not this Joseph's son ?"
They soon perceived HE+ was speaking against them ... and the Nazarenes tried to kill HIM+, casting HIM+ outside their city to push HIM+ over the cliff. (See Luke 4:22; context Luke 4:13-30).
The Nazarenes rejected Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH as the rightful Son of David (Dawid) because they saw HIM+ as the son of Joseph... but HE+ was not !
The second incident concerning HIS+ mistaken identity once again took place among HIS+ enemies.
The unbelieving Jews were arguing against Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH (John 6:41, 42) after HE+ had affirmed that HE+ was the Living Bread, not like the bread Moshe gave (through The FATHER ) in the wilderness.
Scornfully, the Jews said, " Is this not Y'SHUA+, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know ? How is it then that HE+ saith, I+ came down from Heaven?"
Only those 2 times it is recorded that HE+ was identified as the "son of Joseph"... and both times, by HIS+ enemies !
Never, never, never is it recorded in HOLY SCRIPTURES in any language that Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH is identified as Messiah ben (son of ) Joseph.
Always, always, always it is recorded in HOLY SCRIPTURES in every language that Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH is the "Son of David (Dawid)", thus fulfilling prophecy , so that the Jewish people could identify their Messiah when HE+ came.
Thus, beware of the deceiver! This false information is found in footnote 53 of this edited translation of the Aramaic New Testament. The Aramaic text is excellent; the additional comments work to deceive. Beware! Beware!
It seems to me that the editor and perhaps those who collaborated with him on this volume are trying to change the identity of Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH. Are they trying to make HIM+ into a good rabbi who is Torah-observant, like so many other good teachers of the Jewish past, perhaps ? If so, they have missed their Messiah+, once again.
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9 comments:
Please, please stop spreading lies. The Joseph that Mashiyach ben Yoseph refers to is the Joseph in Genesis who went to Egypt, NOT Joseph the wife of Mary.
Now, I really don't have time to go through all of your web of misunderstanding, but I encourage you to search out a matter in much more detail before you begin to publicly post things on the internet about it. Please remember that you will have to give an account for everything you post.
Dear haDerek.... Thank you once again for your interest, albeit a bit intense ?
I am aware of what you say. The PROBLEM is that in this Aramaic interlinear-like translation, the EDITOR... the editor... the editor himself... REFERS TO Y'SHUA+ Ha MOSCHIYACH as M. ben Yoseph... which is willfully wrong.
If you read again footnote 2 and footnote 53 you will see that the EDITOR is plainly using that title for Y'SHUA+ Ha MOSHIYACH.
Do check out what I say; I aim always for accuracy.
The editor is NOT using that title for Joseph, one of the 12 sons of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham... the Joseph who dreamed dreams and was second-in-command of Egypt.
Since it is the EDITOR/TRANSLATOR using that title erroneously , I think he should be the one you'd think was spreading lies !
I do think the editor is spreading lies.
And, since I object to him spreading such confusion, mis-information, and lies about the lineage of Y'SHUA+ Ha MASHIYACH, I set up this blog to hopefully pull out of the fire some mis-guided soul.
Read those footnotes, dear friend, and you will realize WHO is spreading lies, instead of me.
Kind regards,
Sister Judith Hannah
Yeshua is Mashiyach ben Yoseph though... you do not understand this concept. It is not a lie nor confusing. Mashiyach ben Yoseph is the suffering servant, representative of the first coming of Messiah. Mashiyach ben David is the conquering king, representative of the second coming of Messiah. These are clearly definied concepts of Messiah that everyone in Yeshua's day knew about, and something that Jews will be able to relate to today. They will not be able to relate to a hellenized Jesus.
Mashiyach ben Yoseph has nothing to do with lineage. The fact that you think so shows a severe lack of understanding of this concept. Perhaps you should study Ancient Judaism's beliefs about the Messiah before commenting. I will briefly try to explain it for you.
Mashiyach ben Yoseph is not a title for Joseph the son of Jacob. It is a title that God's covenant people came up with to describe Messiah in His role as the suferring servant. Therefore it is a title they apply to messiah. Second, the Yoseph on Mashiyach ben Yoseph refers to Joseph the son of Jacob because he is a "Messiah-type" of the suffering servant, as he suffered for the sake of eventually providing redemption to the people, a picture of how Messiah would come and suffer for the sake of our redemption. It has nothing to do with lineage.
I've read those footnotes, I just happen to understand them. I hope you can begin to do the same after reading this post. You may not be lying intentionally, but there is serious error in your criticisms nonetheless.
Dear Friend... I think the correct wording of your statement is that I DO NOT AGREE with ANYONE who labels Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH+ as "Messiah son of Joseph" ...which HE+ was not.
It is not that I do not understand what you (and the editor, and some others ) say; I simply will NEVER AGREE with such a confused, dis-informative term being placed upon MASHIYACH+, son of David, Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH+.
Do stick to Scriptures, dear friend; then we have something to discuss.
Ideas, concepts, terms, and labels of men are lighter than wind and are simply of no import to me.
The best to you, now.
Sr. Judith Hannah + + +
Well they're important to me because they are keys to reaching into people's theology and showing them what they can't see. Lifting the veil of a Jew so that they can see their Messiah is much more important than haughty preferences.
Dear Friend...
Lifting the veil is important to me, be the one in darkness a Gentile of any sort or a Jew, of any sort.
The veil which forms the curtains of darkness... lies and misconceptions and the thinking of man... all these contribute to form a web of darkness in the spirit and mind of men.
That, dear friend, is why TRUTH is so much more important than the thoughts of man.
That, dear friend, is why The Suffering Messiah MUST be shown to the Gentile and Jew alike to be Y'SHUA+ ha MASHIYACH... the promised MASHIYACH+ ben David.
First... so the Jew will see and recall the prophecies and be able to IDENTIFY y'SHUA+ at the MASHIYACH indeed by HIS+ lineage as the ONE+ WHO+ suffered, foretold by the Passover LAMB+.
Secondly... so the Gentile will see and learn that the Old Covenant prophecies foretold HIS+ suffering, HIS+ rejection, HIS+ Messiah-ship by lineage as the MASHIYACH+ ben David.
There could be nothing MORE CONFUSING to the un-redeemed Jew and Gentile alike as to throw at them this concocted "idea" of man as this "M. ben Joseph." ... which has no basis in Scripture whatsoever.
The TRUTH is always more powerful than home-made concoctions, dear friend.
Sr. Judith Hannah + + +
But you see, there is nothing untruthful about the concept of Mashiyach ben Yoseph. You must consider a few things,
1) The term "Mashiyach ben Yoseph" was coined before Yeshua ever showed up on earth.
2) "Mashiyach ben Yoseph" is not a term of lineage but likeness. the suffering servant Messiah is after the likeness of Joseph (son of Jacob).
3) Everyone knows Messiah actually comes from the line of David and when one calls Him "Mashiyach ben Yoseph" they are not referring to lineage but theology.
4) Consider Paul who met people where they were at. While this term isn't directly found in Scripture, the concept is there, and it can be a tool to guide one into truth.Truth may be more powerful, but it's useless when one cannot see it.
Your idea that this is confusing for either Jew and Gentile is a false assumption. It has clearly confused you, but your blanket statement does not hold true for many. This idea/criticism of yours, besides being petty and divisive, is a mere reflection of your lack of understanding of Hebraic thought. I really encourage you, once again, to do a little more study on this subject prior to teaching on it. I'd give you some resources, but posting that is not kosher here, so I am limited in how to help bring clarity.
And it needs to be noted that everyone I know who understands this idea of "Mashiyach ben Yoseph" and "Mashiyach ben Dawid" always teach that Messiah is of the lineage of David, and these terms are brought in to discuss post-middle age Judaic interpretation of Messianic prophecy which is very effective for reaching Jews with knowledge of Messiah and His true identity.
And a final note... I was reading about your talk of "confusion". You incorrect understanding of this issue is bringing nothing BUT confusion. So, once again, please do some more research and in the meantime I encourage you to take down this blog post because you're honestly going to be leading people astray with these false criticisms. You may mean well, and that's good, but everything I have read is nothing but misleading.
Dear haDerech...
Confusion on this topic was NOT introduced by me... but by the editor ( or compiler/author) in footnotes #2 and #53.
THE EDITOR HIMSELF CONNECTED THE LINEAGE TO THE "theology" !
And the FIRST reference ever to M. ben Joseph was from 250 AD, was it not?
From the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA.com, word for word:
"Messiah ben Joseph"
"Finally, there must be mentioned a Messianic figure peculiar to the rabbinical apocalyptic literature—that of Messiah ben Joseph.
The earliest mention of him is in Suk. 52a, b, where three statements occur in regard to him, for the first of which R. Dosa (c. 250) is given as authority.
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"When and how this Messiah-conception originated is a question that has not yet been answered satisfactorily. "
As you can see from the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA itself which anyone can check, there is total confusion as to M. ben Joseph... several theories abounding... and yes indeed, it was from the teachings of man, NOT OF ELOHIM, that this developed.
AND, THIS TEACHING DEVELOPED 250 YEARS AFTER Y'SHUA+ haMASHIYACH+ , Messiah ben David, walked this earth incarnate.
The research is done... completed a couple of months ago.
Stand on Truth, dear friend; nothing can be gained by "teaching" the doctrines of men.
Confusion is the result when the doctrines of man are promoted... as this discussion reveals.
Move only towards TRUTH, dear friend, for Y'SHUA+ said, " I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man comes to The FATHER except through ME+."
Sr. Judith Hannah + + +
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